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emma.blue's avatar

A bit of a 'don't look up vibe' (that made me cringe) however a real nice intro into the concept. Not easy to get the essence of such a complex topic in less than 5 minutes with a few jokes in between. Well done for keeping your cool and throwing in important messages :let's acknowledge all the limits,open up to the gift of simplification and choose community over survivalism.

Overall a question is emerging:

What if life would make more sense after we crash into the iceberg?

Sarah Wilson's avatar

I reckon it will/is

Rachelle's avatar

I saw your segment on The Project and thought you handled it so well! At first I wasn’t sure if the presenters were taking the piss a little, but then realized that their questions (and jokes) were exactly what someone unfamiliar with collapse theory might ask - and you gave clear, approachable and thought-provoking answers. On a side note, what is the French book on the topic that was a bestseller 2 years ago?

Kristy H's avatar

I'm glad The Project's hosts were respectful off air because I struggled watching them. You handled it beautifully but it makes me sad to realise you have to play the game. Laugh, smile, keep it light, wear the right clothes, have the right hairstyle, makeup and voice. I really admire that you remain authentic even though you have to be conscious of your message being palatable. What a juggle. xx

Kristy H's avatar

Sorry just another thought. I understand that you have to water things down when doing programs like The Project or doing short interviews but it's different with the events that you have coming up. I think the people that are paying and wanting to hear you speak will appreciate the hard honest truths.

Djderiva's avatar

I was ok with that vibe because did many viewers this was an intro to something they have not find across. Yes it makes if a bit .. swipe Jeff if right when it’s hugely serious however it’s a big first step and maybe that’s an opening for others to encourage people to delve into it. And yea I thought Sarah you handled it amazingly .. the key too is keeping relationships and there was a good vibe in your relationship to the hosts which is key to modelling the community building we r taking about and need. No othering .. take my hat off

Heather Stevens's avatar

I'm sure you've seen it but I'm in awe of Australia's first dog on the moon cartoon book 'guide to living through the impending apocalypse'. As dark as i sound, I read it with my 7 year old son (skipping some bits as appropriate). It's humour makes talking about the topics easier and wow it was written in 2019! It reads almost like a prophecy.

Sarah Wilson's avatar

I've not seen it. But need to. Thanks for the head's up.

Bianca's avatar

Thanks, I added to my TBR.

Gillian & Li'l Bean's avatar

The humour is also a safe place to go to when you are feeling uncomfortable and a bit afraid!

Sarah Wilson's avatar

Yes, and they're aware of the public reactions, too. They have to carry it. The producers on the show were totally into the subject and knew quite a lot - they'd researched it and "got it"....

JaneE's avatar

Hi Rachelle, Nate Hagens has just interviewed the French author on his podcast The Great Simplification:)

Gillian & Li'l Bean's avatar

Kudos to you! Your fierce bravery is always inspiring. Glad you are finding the reception a bit softer. The project clip was great, I interpreted the humour from the hosts as masking something uncomfortable - often my response when I hear something challenging. I probably agree with your sister in law, partially because of the timeframe and partially because I am not convinced that stepping away from renewables is a good idea, despite all the valid points you raise. I guess I have yet to hear or think out what a transition plan without renewables looks like. I like renewables as they offer a distributed system that, in the event of a collapse, has the capacity to provide some energy in distributed spots to allow some critical functions to continue - not reliant on one centralised grid. I'd love to hear your thoughts on what we prioritise spending money on instead of renewables (more broadly as a society rather than at an individual level) and how we continue to power "normal" till such time as it goes away - all while trying to minimise our carbon contribution. I don't like the way that suggesting "renewables are not the answer" kind of gives permission to "let it rip with fossil fuels". Thank you for your brave, straight-talking self! Wishing you all the kindness at your upcoming events. xo

Sarah Wilson's avatar

a transition plan without renewables, or less of a myopic reliance on it, looks like...consuming less. Another part of the problem of the green economy is Jevon's Paradox...more renewable energy has only seen our consumption of ff's go up and up.

I appreciate the let it rip issue...but I think we MUST get more nuanced.

Gillian & Li'l Bean's avatar

Thanks for the clarification, yes I agree nuance is important - I now understand you to be saying "Simply swapping to renewables won't get us out of this mess" Not that there is not a place for renewables in a simplified future, they are just one of many tools and mind shifts we need to explore and implement. Ta

Sally Gillespie's avatar

Yes there is so much to unpack with all of this, complexity and unintended consequences abound !

Sally Gillespie's avatar

Yes I am with you on these concerns Gill. I think important to make the point that renewable manufacture has been largely corporatised and pulled into capitalist frameworks when what is needed is a community energy approach which is very often frustrated by neoliberal governments putting up regulations to prevent this. The other factor here is massive increase in energy usage so renewables are adding on to , not replacing, fossil fuels. Until we talk about reducing and restricting energy usage we are avoiding fundamental issues here

Gillian & Li'l Bean's avatar

Nice Sally, that puts it much better then my gut feeling! Thanks :)

Sally Gillespie's avatar

Helps having a husband who has been researching all this for years!

Goldie Chaudhuri's avatar

I appreciated Sarah's flippant child labour comment. In my very pro-renewables circles, I find myself unpacking the impacts of the corporate governance structures -- unevenly distributed benefits and unevenly distributed harms. But in our relatively affluent communities, maybe we're unable to feel into that? Jevon's Paradox is oh too real.

Sarah Wilson's avatar

I also got it into my TED talk that I just did an hour ago!

Sally Gillespie's avatar

Yes Jevons paradox working overtime and an unwillingness to see the system that is devouring us, so much seductive affluence in all of this and much othering of suffering

Djderiva's avatar

When we talk about renewables .. should we exclude biofuels from the high consumption of rare minerals downer. I live in a sugar cane town where no other crop can be Grown reliably yet we’ve been overlooked for power production in favour of a proposal to put solar panels on the fields .. does my head in. The mills gone bust There’s a quick win in Mossman FNQ for any green minded philanthropists

Nikki's avatar

Sarah you did unbelievably well with their glib questions. I wish Waleed was on because he would’ve delved into questions better rather than looking for a quick laugh. Short form interviews are so difficult for such a huuuge topic!

Re your question, the big ‘woah’ moment for me with collapse was learning that we are past peak oil, and just how much we rely on oil for basically everything. That was my mirror shattering moment. Hope that helps!

Sarah Wilson's avatar

That's helpful feedback Nikki

Hamersley's avatar

Any chance you could be interviewed on The Minefield? I’ve been waiting for them to do an episode on collapse for years!

Fran Berry's avatar

I noticed the reference to kindness and I also liked the respectful way in which both contenders spoke about each other. I think it was right for Albo to pull up that person who booed Dutton as I think we can all be respectful of each other even if we don’t necessarily agree with each other. I hope Albo keeps ‘kindness’ in his lexicon but would like to see him add ‘respect’ - for each other and for our planet. I haven’t listened to your MSN segments yet but I will when I get a chance.

Liz Matthews's avatar

Great to see you on the Project. I’ve just returned to Australia from living in London the last couple of years (incidentally i connected with some of your lovely followers over there) and feel the same about the ‘crickets’ you talk about. So these appearances and ‘introduction’ of the topic are really great and will definitely help to start mainstream discussions. Agree with your sister-in-law, saying we can’t help climate with renewables is too shocking and uncomfortable at the outset. I loved the term ‘hospice modernity’ and think this concept, if you can wedge it in to these short segments, would help soften the blow. Thank you Sarah you are doing amazing work!

Sarah Wilson's avatar

Ah, did you go to a meet-up there? How wonderful.

Yes I love Vanessa's term...

Liz Matthews's avatar

Yes! I couldn’t make the meet up in Notting Hill with you but a small group from there caught up in a pub in London just before Christmas. I’ve now left London but the group continues and is meeting again. Forming community❤️

Sarah Wilson's avatar

This is music to my ears

Ian's avatar

How lovely ... wonderful to read that subsets of Sar's community is growing deeper together.

Goldie Chaudhuri's avatar

How lovely! I'm interested in how these collapse aware types are finding each other on the ground. We have our own community in the town I'm in (1.5 hours outside of London) but I'm wondering if anyone is mapping these communities popping up? Would you be up for making an intro to the Londoner's group?

Liz Matthews's avatar

I will let them know you are keen!

Liz Matthews's avatar

Goldie if you can give me your number they’ve asked me to add you to the What’s app group. What’s the best way to do that?

Goldie Chaudhuri's avatar

Thanks Liz, please be on the lookout for a private message.

And on the off chance there are other SW England folk who see this, particularly in towns along the River Frome like Frome and Stroud, feel free to pop me a message!

Suzanne Fitzgerald's avatar

Wow Sarah - just watched the clip from The Project and I’m in awe how you summarised collapse so well while not getting too “heavy” and serious which unfortunately would alienate people from the get go. I felt myself getting frustrated at their frivolous approach and questions’ so good on you for taking that on and going with it.

The point your sis in law made is valid but it also seems slightly ridiculous that it’s so necessary to sugar coat things. I guess the best outcome is to get people curious enough to look into the topic themselves

Sarah Wilson's avatar

I realise in this case, they asked me the question, so I couldn't skirt it. I had to broach it...but in the future I won't raise it is as factor unless I can, in fact, make the qualifications...

Kate Erlenbusch's avatar

Loved your approach on The Project, Sarah. The “yes, and” is a very powerful tool to employ. Recognising it “can be scary” but also about “simplifying” was great too. A few times I felt like the presenters were a bit “don’t look up” keep it light, light, light vibe, but as you mention, we’ve got to meet people where they are. Wish I could attend your events and meet-ups, but am cheering you on in spirit as you communicate reality with grace and courage.

Sarah Wilson's avatar

Thank you Kate...next time you must come along!

Kate Erlenbusch's avatar

Sarah, I am able to attend your session at Melbourne Writer’s Festival after all. Cannot wait to hear you speak!

Heather Stevens's avatar

Sarah i think a strength in you broaching this topic is that we have followed you through your journey as you moved from health, activism, anxiety and now collapse. Your books almost feel like a series, and I wonder if you could find a way to tie them together into a narrative succinctly in your interviews, help people see where you (and we) have come from to get here. I feel like I have been taken on a decade long journey and that has made landing with your collapse book a lot easier

Sarah Wilson's avatar

that's super interesting...most people comment that my trajectory makes no sense. But I think anyone who has entered the "question things space" does get it. Women in the public eye notoriously get quesitoned on whether they're "allowed" to move onto different topics...i think this limitation has a bit to do with it.

Emma-Kate's avatar

I think it makes total sense. From personal health crisis, to looking outward to see what the world needs you to be!

Sarah Wilson's avatar

mirrors a personal journey, I reckon

Steve Thompson's avatar

I agree that sharing your trajectory story is powerful. Don’t shy away. If you are transgressing from what is “allowed“, that just makes your story more powerful. You are a very effective communicator. You did a great job on the project. I am a new follower from Montana USA and am inspired that you’ve broken into the mainstream media. Well done!

Sarah Wilson's avatar

Thanks Steve. As a woman we are really only allowed to transgress once we reach a certain age...although I reckon more women will ignore this edict as the world demands the transgression!

Goldie Chaudhuri's avatar

So interesting: I tell people about you all the time and I always frame it THROUGH your journey -- entry level questioning to more foundational explorations of ways of knowing and being. And who knows where that golden thread will take you next!

Emma Daley's avatar

Oh what a great point Heather. I had not yet connected these dots.

Tristan Sykes's avatar

Terrific work Sarah. We've shared this widely through our JustCollapse networks, groups, and platforms, and hope you've got some new followers as a result. Although not everybody has ears to hear the truth of it, everybody has a right to know as a matter of justice and we greatly appreciate your efforts to #TalkCollapse into the broader millieu.

My compatriot co-founder of JustCollapse is a/prof Kate Booth who leads the Critical Collapse research team at the University of Tasmania and Routledge will be publishing her book on the subject later in the year. It's so lovely to see more Australian collapsologist women being heard. Huzzah!

Sarah Wilson's avatar

Thanks Tristan. I don't know the group, but I've passed on Kate's details to a journalist doing a story on all this!

Tristan Sykes's avatar

Wonderful. Thanks very much Sarah. JustCollapse.org is a growing international platform dedicated to socio-ecological justice in face of inevitable collapse. We've held several international academic forums which have been unusually well attended, and we have collaborated with other activists and academics towards a book which will be published by non-profit Arkbound in the next few months. We greatly appreciate all your efforts to expanding collapse consciousness.

Madeleine Urion's avatar

Lovely job, Sarah. You wear the substance of what you've learned, pondered, cried over, danced out, imagined, debated, grieved, opened up to, fought, spent time lying on the floor exhausted by, sat in sacred spaces and meditated upon, etc. You allowed yourself to be cracked open to pain and beauty in equal measure in coming to terms with the end while writing the book and sharing the journey, and that really comes out in your words and your graciousness with the hosts. You wear it all like a garment that is uniquely yours. You are the kindest trail guide for fellow pilgrims on the collapse journey in highlighting the gift of it all. Bravo.

Qwerki Unicorn's avatar

My favourite bit of election night was Albanese stopping the audience booing when he mentioned Peter Dutton with words along the lines of ‘No. That is not how we behave in Australia.

You did really well on the Project in such a short segment. It is a light hearted program and they ask and retort like normal people would with such a heavy subject. I totally believe in meeting people where they are at.

They are watching a humorous program so you want to match the energy of that to get any sort of message to connect.

Jacqui's avatar

I noticed the ‘kind’ messaging too. It was shocking - in the best way. I’ve been wondering about it…has it been a subtle clue that the incumbents really do see what is ahead and know that coming together gives the best chance to the most people? I might be giving too much credit here but where there is hope….

Sarah Wilson's avatar

Jacqui, I tend to think a lot of people really do see what's ahead and most of their reactions are about trying to cope with this and the fact they don't know how to react....even the tech bros and Trump etc...at a deeply buried level. It's something I cover in the book

Allison Trevena's avatar

I will only believe they are kind when they actually take action against Israel and do something concrete to say that Australians are not ok with the genocide happening in Gaza.

Kira Hug's avatar

You handled their awkward jokes, discomfort, and anxiety beautifully, while educating with openness, inspiration, and facts, Sarah. This is why I admire you so greatly. This is why we need you.

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