Of course there are plenty of good men around. And they do call out the BS but their voice is sometimes not heard because the media would much prefer an Andrew Tate arguing with a Germaine Greer.
Man agrees with woman isn't what some divisive interests want to see as a headline.
Any decent man who appreciates all that women have endured over centuries should listen more than they speak when they get those moments of honesty and good debate from a female.
Ant time my opinions on anything has been shifted it has always been due to a discussion with a female friend, not a male friend.
And whether you believe in quota's in politics or not, it is why parliment has to be a split of the sexes.
Being lucky enough to have a daughter has really emphasised it for myself, so if a male friend is on the Tate rant and i know they have an older daughter i always ask them if she brought home a man with those thoughts and talked to your daughter that way, would you be ok with that?
To have her opinion disrespected?
It usually makes them pause.
But you don't need a daughter to do this, just any number of female friends, colleges, mothers, aunties or nieces etc.
Interestingly most men i know that have that Tate-trait(trademark pending😁) have aweful relationships with their mothers or the same masculine type father. Always talk AT their partners.
I love strong women and i hope with the purpose driven anger now at hand, over the next few generations kids see all the strong women and or mothers that don't cop it, and young boys realise that it's so much more important to find a partner whose thoughts and opinions (even if not agreed upon) you value and cherish, than it is to have a Kardashian on your arm to impress other like minded males.😁
Sarah, I see how it’s confronting for men. After a moment thinking (mistaking) it was my job to smooth-over and make this gender discourse more palatable/people less defensive, lol, I got to your point about men being more likely to listen and talk to men, and hopefully bypass defensiveness (my genuine wish for everyone, actually .. though feeling/acknowledging it can be instructive too).
I’d love to see more men acknowledge patriarchy, as it affects us all. I have a daughter and son (gentle and thoughtful), so I have many concerns on how we proceed.
As an American expat living in Australia for the past 17 years working as a therapist, I'd say it has something to do with shame. Americans seem to contain shame differently as a culture making taboo subjects less threatening. Under the shameless headline is an intellectual challenge that can elevate the raunchy, the filthy, the shame to some level of respectable truth.
It’s this kind of writing that makes me weep with CONNECTION! Thanks Sarah, I’m going to learn some of this off by heart and put it toward my men friends who are struggling and resisting even though I don’t think they know why! Or what!! ❤️✊🏽
Love this write up! We need more of tell it as it is. I always wondered why Aussie news are so shallow an uninformed. Let’s not be afraid of courageous conversations. I honestly think it’s a cultural thing. People hear don’t want to rock the boat. We got the beaches and the pubs to keep us happy right?
More like the year of women reaching an all time low.
An all time high in hypocrisy maybe? Those horrible sexist and racist men? So women.....lets go on a sexist witch hunt to try to cancel some successful, hard working men!
Maybe we can reach the top by playing dirty pool and sabotaging some high achievers! Because there's no other easy, nasty, selfish, dishonest way to do it!
Wow what a bunch of total grubs we have become aye......
Women are digging their own graves and will only have them selves to blame while men come out on top for their strength of character and achieving goals without character destruction of women.
Good article. I think that most men and women recognise the floppy man behaviour. Maybe the difference is that women now feel sufficiently supported to call it out.
I’m quite enjoying how the alpha’s are coping with this…throwing the toys out I’d say. The behaviour can be a product of a lack of self awareness, let’s see if being accountable will change that behaviour. ??
It's hard to imagine a self-respecting man getting on board with this. How is it helpful, constructive, or even accurate to demonise a group of people, based on their sex?
2022 could more accurately (in my opinion) be summed up (an example would be this article) as judging others and demonising people based on group characteristic and labels: ie "men", "anti-vaxxers", "right-wing extremists", "radical leftists" etc. As soon as we label people, we dehumanise them. This then justifies inhumane actions, such as what we did this year: locking people out of society, infringing upon fundamental rights and and prohibiting people from earning a livelihood (vaccine mandates)
I'm concerned where this kind of "othering" could lead in the future.
We may belong to various groups, but we are individuals first. Why don't we judge people based on their merits, rather than group characteristics? If there's inappropriate behaviour, then call out the behaviour. If the inappropriate behaviour is "increasing the amount of love in the world" (Lex Fridman") then i'm really confused about what the problem actually is. Is the goal to have more hate and division, rather than love and unity? Or is it a problem simply because it's expressed by a man?
I, for one, am proud of being a man. Masculinity is natural, necessary and an awesome thing for the world, just as femininity is.
We all may need help with growing and maturing into healthy human beings, and the best way to do this is to fully integrate (rather than deny or condemn) all aspects of ourselves including our masculine and feminine aspects, and embrace the gifts of both.
Here's to a future with more unity than division, more love than hate, more piercing through the veil and seeing the human being at the centre.
This article is written in a highly subjective manner, presenting opinion as facts, and appears to take a critical and derogatory stance towards men and their behavior over the past year. It lists several examples of men who have acted in ways the author deems to be “obnoxious” or “flaccid.”
In terms of freedom of speech, the author is certainly exercising their right to express their opinions, even if those opinions are negative, derogatory or critical. However, it could be argued that the blanket condemnation of men as a group is a form of discrimination and could contribute to further division and harm.
In terms of cognitive distortions, the article displays the following:
All-or-nothing thinking: The article makes sweeping generalizations about men, implying that all men are “floppy” and lacking in some way. For example, the opening sentence, “Try to name even one good man. You can’t,” assumes that it is impossible to find a single man who is not flawed.
Overgeneralization: The article lists several examples of men who have acted in ways the author deems to be problematic, but presents these examples as representative of all men. This is a form of overgeneralization, as it assumes that the behaviors of a few individuals are representative of an entire group.
The article also displays a victim orientation, as the author presents themselves as a victim of the actions of men. For example, the statement “I’m not sure anyone in Australia could/would run that headline and that first line. I’m aware that in my reproducing it here, I will be slammed for even putting it up for discussion” suggests that the author believes they will be punished for expressing their opinion. This perspective perpetuates a victim mentality and can lead to a sense of helplessness and powerlessness.
Sarah - unrelated to my other comments here.. You’ve mentioned that you relate well to men/the masculine. If you’d indulge my curiosity - do you think it’s related to having several male siblings and/or living on a farm? I grew up with a sister, mother, and a father with no interests in (what might be considered) ‘masculine’ areas. No casual family wrestling (!), sports or farm work, though I grew up loving bushwalking, climbing, x-country skiing, during my 80s/90s schooling in Canberra. I’ve always admired how you engage with strangers on your solo travels (even if it doesn’t always come naturally) and I’ll admit -respectfully- to wondering if physical height gives you more confidence with men (and anyone really). Sorry if this is weird to ask. I’m not really short in height, so I’m thinking it’s more my upbringing/personality that I don’t relate to outwardly ‘masculine’ energies naturally.
Sarah, have you read "If Women Rose Rooted"?. I'm reading it now in COVID iso, and it speaks to the voice of women you're reflecting here. I love how Sharon Blackie is able to show the reader that the answer does not lie in shaming men, making redundant their warrior "masculine" role but in valuing both the masculine and feminine (my words). She argues the key to re-generating our planet is re-instating the feminine voice. You would love this book.
Of course there are plenty of good men around. And they do call out the BS but their voice is sometimes not heard because the media would much prefer an Andrew Tate arguing with a Germaine Greer.
Man agrees with woman isn't what some divisive interests want to see as a headline.
Any decent man who appreciates all that women have endured over centuries should listen more than they speak when they get those moments of honesty and good debate from a female.
Ant time my opinions on anything has been shifted it has always been due to a discussion with a female friend, not a male friend.
And whether you believe in quota's in politics or not, it is why parliment has to be a split of the sexes.
Agree Scomo is in a class of his own.
My message to all the men you mention is simple.
Get over yourselves.
Look in the mirror and repeat;
"Make 2023 NOT about me".
Agree 100% Sarah.
Being lucky enough to have a daughter has really emphasised it for myself, so if a male friend is on the Tate rant and i know they have an older daughter i always ask them if she brought home a man with those thoughts and talked to your daughter that way, would you be ok with that?
To have her opinion disrespected?
It usually makes them pause.
But you don't need a daughter to do this, just any number of female friends, colleges, mothers, aunties or nieces etc.
Interestingly most men i know that have that Tate-trait(trademark pending😁) have aweful relationships with their mothers or the same masculine type father. Always talk AT their partners.
I love strong women and i hope with the purpose driven anger now at hand, over the next few generations kids see all the strong women and or mothers that don't cop it, and young boys realise that it's so much more important to find a partner whose thoughts and opinions (even if not agreed upon) you value and cherish, than it is to have a Kardashian on your arm to impress other like minded males.😁
Sarah, I see how it’s confronting for men. After a moment thinking (mistaking) it was my job to smooth-over and make this gender discourse more palatable/people less defensive, lol, I got to your point about men being more likely to listen and talk to men, and hopefully bypass defensiveness (my genuine wish for everyone, actually .. though feeling/acknowledging it can be instructive too).
I’d love to see more men acknowledge patriarchy, as it affects us all. I have a daughter and son (gentle and thoughtful), so I have many concerns on how we proceed.
As an American expat living in Australia for the past 17 years working as a therapist, I'd say it has something to do with shame. Americans seem to contain shame differently as a culture making taboo subjects less threatening. Under the shameless headline is an intellectual challenge that can elevate the raunchy, the filthy, the shame to some level of respectable truth.
It’s this kind of writing that makes me weep with CONNECTION! Thanks Sarah, I’m going to learn some of this off by heart and put it toward my men friends who are struggling and resisting even though I don’t think they know why! Or what!! ❤️✊🏽
Love this write up! We need more of tell it as it is. I always wondered why Aussie news are so shallow an uninformed. Let’s not be afraid of courageous conversations. I honestly think it’s a cultural thing. People hear don’t want to rock the boat. We got the beaches and the pubs to keep us happy right?
More like the year of women reaching an all time low.
An all time high in hypocrisy maybe? Those horrible sexist and racist men? So women.....lets go on a sexist witch hunt to try to cancel some successful, hard working men!
Maybe we can reach the top by playing dirty pool and sabotaging some high achievers! Because there's no other easy, nasty, selfish, dishonest way to do it!
Wow what a bunch of total grubs we have become aye......
Women are digging their own graves and will only have them selves to blame while men come out on top for their strength of character and achieving goals without character destruction of women.
Good article. I think that most men and women recognise the floppy man behaviour. Maybe the difference is that women now feel sufficiently supported to call it out.
I’m quite enjoying how the alpha’s are coping with this…throwing the toys out I’d say. The behaviour can be a product of a lack of self awareness, let’s see if being accountable will change that behaviour. ??
It's hard to imagine a self-respecting man getting on board with this. How is it helpful, constructive, or even accurate to demonise a group of people, based on their sex?
2022 could more accurately (in my opinion) be summed up (an example would be this article) as judging others and demonising people based on group characteristic and labels: ie "men", "anti-vaxxers", "right-wing extremists", "radical leftists" etc. As soon as we label people, we dehumanise them. This then justifies inhumane actions, such as what we did this year: locking people out of society, infringing upon fundamental rights and and prohibiting people from earning a livelihood (vaccine mandates)
I'm concerned where this kind of "othering" could lead in the future.
We may belong to various groups, but we are individuals first. Why don't we judge people based on their merits, rather than group characteristics? If there's inappropriate behaviour, then call out the behaviour. If the inappropriate behaviour is "increasing the amount of love in the world" (Lex Fridman") then i'm really confused about what the problem actually is. Is the goal to have more hate and division, rather than love and unity? Or is it a problem simply because it's expressed by a man?
I, for one, am proud of being a man. Masculinity is natural, necessary and an awesome thing for the world, just as femininity is.
We all may need help with growing and maturing into healthy human beings, and the best way to do this is to fully integrate (rather than deny or condemn) all aspects of ourselves including our masculine and feminine aspects, and embrace the gifts of both.
Here's to a future with more unity than division, more love than hate, more piercing through the veil and seeing the human being at the centre.
This article is written in a highly subjective manner, presenting opinion as facts, and appears to take a critical and derogatory stance towards men and their behavior over the past year. It lists several examples of men who have acted in ways the author deems to be “obnoxious” or “flaccid.”
In terms of freedom of speech, the author is certainly exercising their right to express their opinions, even if those opinions are negative, derogatory or critical. However, it could be argued that the blanket condemnation of men as a group is a form of discrimination and could contribute to further division and harm.
In terms of cognitive distortions, the article displays the following:
All-or-nothing thinking: The article makes sweeping generalizations about men, implying that all men are “floppy” and lacking in some way. For example, the opening sentence, “Try to name even one good man. You can’t,” assumes that it is impossible to find a single man who is not flawed.
Overgeneralization: The article lists several examples of men who have acted in ways the author deems to be problematic, but presents these examples as representative of all men. This is a form of overgeneralization, as it assumes that the behaviors of a few individuals are representative of an entire group.
The article also displays a victim orientation, as the author presents themselves as a victim of the actions of men. For example, the statement “I’m not sure anyone in Australia could/would run that headline and that first line. I’m aware that in my reproducing it here, I will be slammed for even putting it up for discussion” suggests that the author believes they will be punished for expressing their opinion. This perspective perpetuates a victim mentality and can lead to a sense of helplessness and powerlessness.
Sarah - unrelated to my other comments here.. You’ve mentioned that you relate well to men/the masculine. If you’d indulge my curiosity - do you think it’s related to having several male siblings and/or living on a farm? I grew up with a sister, mother, and a father with no interests in (what might be considered) ‘masculine’ areas. No casual family wrestling (!), sports or farm work, though I grew up loving bushwalking, climbing, x-country skiing, during my 80s/90s schooling in Canberra. I’ve always admired how you engage with strangers on your solo travels (even if it doesn’t always come naturally) and I’ll admit -respectfully- to wondering if physical height gives you more confidence with men (and anyone really). Sorry if this is weird to ask. I’m not really short in height, so I’m thinking it’s more my upbringing/personality that I don’t relate to outwardly ‘masculine’ energies naturally.
Sarah, have you read "If Women Rose Rooted"?. I'm reading it now in COVID iso, and it speaks to the voice of women you're reflecting here. I love how Sharon Blackie is able to show the reader that the answer does not lie in shaming men, making redundant their warrior "masculine" role but in valuing both the masculine and feminine (my words). She argues the key to re-generating our planet is re-instating the feminine voice. You would love this book.